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Hiss-Hiss Choo-Choo #

by why in cult

This image is a fake and I made it.

Get this. Subway.

The Subway project aims to create a Web development stack for Python similar to Ruby on Rails, utilizing as many pre-written software components as possible.

Found a couple zips of informal versions here.

said on 17 Jan 2005 at 17:55

They seem to have stolen the logo. Very creative.

said on 17 Jan 2005 at 17:58

Heh. It’s funny how such a simple sentence can be so contradictory. Rails is Rails because all the layers were created from scratch and made to work together. Compiling a stack from existing components is a fine and noble venture. It doesn’t have anything to do with Rails, though.

said on 17 Jan 2005 at 18:07

But don’t they have to change that beautiful gem to an ugly snake?

said on 17 Jan 2005 at 18:18

Well they change the track to be the ugly snake, looks more like a dragon now though

said on 17 Jan 2005 at 18:32

I’d recommend copyrighting that image. It wasn’t exactly free ya know.

said on 17 Jan 2005 at 18:37

The image is a parody. Gently now.

said on 17 Jan 2005 at 19:20

Oh, I thought it was them who did it.

said on 17 Jan 2005 at 19:33

I thought ruby is the only language around that really has the proper language features to achieve what Rails achieves with minimal hassle? Is the python effort doomed to this end?

said on 18 Jan 2005 at 00:11

I won’t say it is doomed. I can’t think of a thing wich is doable in ruby wich is extremely harder in python. If you look at the cherrypy2 it is somewhat railish.

But the python web stuff is gone all on another side with lots of interfaces and overengineering, so I think it is still doomed.

said on 18 Jan 2005 at 04:31

Had me worried there for a second that they hijacked the Rails logo. I second the call to copyright as the Rails folks paid good money for it.

Maybe a better parody logo would be a snake across the rails that’s been cut up by the passing train?

said on 18 Jan 2005 at 04:57

sorry for the bold comment, did’nt meant to have it that way..

said on 25 Jan 2005 at 19:29

any language that doesn’t enforce whitespace rules can’t be real ;-)

I’ve been writing web apps in python for a number of years and must admit was intrigued by the Rails demo, however I see no compelling reason to switch to Ruby, nor any particular feature in Rails which I have not already built myself or adapted from other Python projects. The reaction you are seeing from (some) of the Python community is partly understandable – Rails seems to be giving Ruby traction it did not appear to have before, and there is no doubt some desire to translate that inso a similar success story with a Python project. Whether that will happen or not, I do not know nor care. I quite like having a number of web framework choices. I don’t like “asp-like” templating languages. I use a simple, understandable, well-thought out framework called Quixote and either ZODB or Durus object databases or any common SQL database with SQL Object or one of several other useful ORMs.

The comment “with lots of interfaces and overengineering” might mean Zope or some other tool sets, but certainly does not apply to all Python web development tools or frameworks.


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