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More Rails On The Shelf, O'Reilly Aboard #

by why in cult

Curt Hibbs is telling the Rails list that Bruce Tate and David Geary—authors of Core Java Server Faces, Core JSTL, Better, Faster, Lighter Java and so on—have signed with O’Reilly to write the Rails Developer Notebook. These two guys have had quite an adventure with Rails, especially considering the gargantuan debate we overheard between Rails creator David Heinemeier Hansson and David Geary just a month ago. A month later, he’s collaborating on a book?? Holy coats!!

But, seriously, what is happening?? Who ever caves on these arguments?? You’re supposed to stay firmly planted in your stance, right??

DHH needs to come to OSCON in a big Kool-Aid man suit and bust through the bricks and start baptizing people.

Also see the news on Pragmatic Rails Recipes. Let’s get our own shelf by year’s end, okay??

said on 21 Mar 2005 at 15:12

This locomotive is unstopable.

said on 21 Mar 2005 at 16:07

Not too surprising. I wouldn’t call this a “caving in” though. More “pragmatism” than anything else. Ruby is hot, Rails is too. There might be a lot of people who will buy this book. Heck, I could be a COBOL guy, but would write a book on Lisp, if I knew it would sell !!!

said on 21 Mar 2005 at 20:59

I really hope that Curt is right. If there was some misunderstanding, and they really aren’t doing a Rails book, the you-know-what is going to hit the fan. And we’re not in a very favorable position with the Java guys at the moment.

/me crosses fingers

said on 21 Mar 2005 at 21:54

i don’t understand why the ”you-know-what” will hit the fan. the java guys aren’t our daddies or something. you make it sound like the ruby and java camps are in some sort of gang war. is it really that bad? can’t we all just get along?

said on 22 Mar 2005 at 00:24

i say “f the java guys” we’ll use rails. we’ll have fun. the java folk will not. so what?

and DHH should cool it.

said on 22 Mar 2005 at 01:57

I’m only reposting it because he actually had the book title and publisher in his message. I mean if he dreamt it then we really still owe him credit still for such attention to detail.

said on 22 Mar 2005 at 08:32

Don’t assimilate the Rails community to the larger Ruby community. For once, many Railers can’t really code in Ruby, but just in a specific DSL created by DHH . Secondly, it’s DHH and the Railers who began this stupid religious war against Java and their web stacks. Being satisfied with the language, the Ruby community never did anythink resembling what DHH and some of his followers are doing now.

This is very profitable for a few guys (who gets $x00 a seat? who’s doing consulting?). Some want the technology they’ve invested into to take on the world so they are promoted to gurus and can live off from that. Some follow blindly.

They have created a religion with rites of passage (bashing the technologies they used before, especially Java, ludicruous productivity claims), a common enemy (Java and their webstacks), a vision (everybody using Rails and Ruby reduced to “the language Rails is implemented with”), a ceremonial (this one left for the reader), etc…

I find this disgusting.

said on 22 Mar 2005 at 12:43

It’s all the same thing that happend when C++ was the status quo and then Java came along. Flame wars, etc. History repeating…

said on 22 Mar 2005 at 13:16

nah, it’s just that DHH is a cock.

said on 22 Mar 2005 at 15:57


said on 22 Mar 2005 at 17:34

I don’t think namecalling is justified; I can’t swear on a stack of bibles (or a stack of anything else, really… maybe memory) that I wouldn’t exhibit the same level of combativeness as DHH if it were my framework. But I still have to agree it’d be better on the whole if he’d tone it down. The ten-times-faster claims and suchlike ring a little hollow in the absence of any real documentation, for example.

said on 23 Mar 2005 at 04:33

Anyone without solid, repeatable, independantly verifiable documentation supporting their technology claims is a marketing talking head. Sounds to me like someone is trying to feed their family by riding an opportunity window.

said on 23 Mar 2005 at 04:51

looking to jump on the money wagon here folks. JESUS GOD I THINK I AM H Aving aheatr atrtfac2111`

said on 23 Mar 2005 at 07:23

DHH ’s Rails marketing nonsense and all the little railsoids (who more often than not are completet newbies who don’t even know what they’re talking about and have only used Ruby for three days) are not a good reflection on the Ruby community in general. People going around making clains like “10x faster”, “look how few lines of code!”, and “you Java people are just resisting the ‘winds of change’” are not helping.

I don’t understand. I dislike Java and love Ruby – I even like Rails – but I don’t see the need to go riding all over the Internet being an ass about it. Neither should DHH or his lackeys.

said on 23 Mar 2005 at 08:37

Poor things. You’ve been carrying this weight on your chest for months. Come on, let’s go get you some new tennies.

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